Robby: |
Does it
work? (He points to the tape recorder and the
video camera). I have the same one (he means the
recorder). |
Rainer: |
At
least the tapes run. Well Robby, your new album -
what kind of music will be on that one? Something
like "Versions"? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
sort of "Versions". There'll be a few
of my own compositions plus some old ones like on
"Versions". |
Rainer: |
Cover
versions? |
Robby: |
Yeah.
There'll be an Elvis Presley one. |
Rainer: |
Oh,
which one? |
Robby: |
Well,
Linda's ecstatic about that (Linda, Robby's PR
manager, smiled). It'll be "I want you, I
need you, I love you". |
Rainer: |
Ah,
that one "... with all my heart." |
Robby: |
Yeah.
And also the "Lonely Teardrops". |
Rainer: |
Isn't
that a Ray Orbison song? |
Robby: |
No -
Jackie Wilson. And a few other surprises. |
Rainer: |
You
should do a Robert Johnson cover version, Robby,
I know he's one of your favorites, and also one
of mine. |
Robby: |
If I
could do as good as he could I would do (he
laughs). |
Rainer: |
The
Rolling Stones did his "Love In Vain",
not mentioning that it was a Robert Johnson tune. |
Robby: |
Really?
Huh! Did they get away with that? |
Rainer: |
I think
so. To my knowledge nobody complained. |
Robby: |
That's
fun. Actually "Crossroads" is good the
way Cream did it. I like that, although I still
like Robert Johnson's version better, I think.
It's amazing that probably very low percent of
the people who heard Cream also heard Robert
Johnson. |
Rainer: |
He was
the master of slide guitar. |
Robby: |
Oh
definitely! |
Rainer: |
Was he
the first one who inspired you to use a
bottleneck? |
Robby: |
Not the
first, but one of the first. |
Rainer: |
He
recorded less than 35 songs in a hotel room ... |
Robby: |
Yeah,
not many. Some people have showed me some bootleg
stuff supposed to be Robert Johnson. It's hard to
tell. It might be. It's really bad quality stuff,
you know, who knows. |
Rainer: |
I heard
of a Robert Johnson CD coming out very soon, with
all known songs plus unreleased material. |
Robby: |
Really?
Must get this one when it's out. |
Rainer: |
Your
Halfspeed Master LP and CD "Robby
Krieger" contains some surprising stuff. I
especially like the song "Costa Brava". |
|
|
Robby Krieger live in
1989.
Photo © Rainer
Moddemann. |
|
Robby: |
Good! |
Rainer: |
Have
you ever been at the Costa Brava in Spain? |
Robby: |
Yeah.
Actually we drove along the coast, stayed at this
big old castle up there, I forgot the name of it,
it was a beautiful place! Yeah, I liked that I.
And we went to Barcelona and Madrid, saw some
Flamenco, and visited the Ramirez shop where I
bought a guitar. I have three Ramirez guitars.
Have one 63, the same exact model that Sabicas
uses. That was fun - I didn't know that he used
that model, and I had mine for 20 years, and I
saw him recently, looked inside his guitar .. a
63! Same one as mine! |
Rainer: |
How did
you get the idea to write "Spanish
Caravan"? |
Robby: |
Oh,
from Flamenco stuff that I learned. A song called
"Granadinas", which is a form that
everybody learns, that's more classical. |
Rainer: |
So
"Spanish Caravan" was a kind of cover
version or a Spanish traditional? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
in fact they sued us for it. The people who owned
whatever song that came from, they tried to sue
us for it, but they didn't get very much, cos
it's such a widely known thing (sings the guitar
solo from "Spanish Caravan"), but they
claimed they owned this little something stupid. |
Rainer: |
How
much did you have to pay them? |
Robby: |
Aaaah,
not that much. I think we gave them the
publishing that was earned in France or
something, because that's where they were. |
Rainer: |
Unfortunately
"Spanish Caravan" was cut... |
Robby: |
Yeah.
(grins) |
Rainer: |
Where's
the lost part of it? |
Robby: |
Ha, I
wish I'd know! |
Rainer: |
That's
pity! I heard you worked a long time at that. |
Robby: |
It was
a couple of minutes that was cut out from the
version on the album, I spent a whole day in the
studio on that, and the producers cut it out
finally. I still can do it, but I haven't done it
in a long time. I definitely plan to record that
one day, you know, to re-record that. |
Rainer: |
Why did
they cut that part out? |
Robby: |
Oh, it
was a little long, they said. Maybe they wanted
it for a single, but I don't know why they cut
it, to tell you the truth. |
Rainer: |
What
guitar did you use for "Spanish
Caravan"? |
Robby: |
For
that part I used the actual Ramirez guitar, and I
guess that's why they didn't use it, it didn't
... well, we used that guitar for the first part
of "Spanish Caravan" and went to that
electric one... |
Rainer: |
Are
there Flamenco guitarists you like? |
Robby: |
Yes,
Sabicas and Juan Serrano. |
Rainer: |
May I
have another Coors? I read in a book that
Morrison also had a few of these? |
Robby: |
Coors?
No, he didn't like Coors that much (laughs). He
drank Miller's. I like it myself. |
Rainer: |
Let's
talk a little bit about the videos that The Doors
released. First, "Dance On Fire" - do
you agree with the visual concept? Did you work
on that as well? |
Robby: |
On
"Dance On Fire"? I didn't really have
that much to do with it. Ray was the video man
and you know he loves to do that kind of stuff, I
didn't really think we had that much good stuff
that we could make a video, you know, but I guess
the Doors' fans wanna have anything that we have,
you know, anything possible, so... |
Rainer: |
I
visited one of my fanclub members over here in
L.A. recently, and she had three outtakes
of"People Are Strange" from the Murray
The K Show... |
Robby: |
Three
versions? |
Rainer: |
Yeah.
In one Jim forgot to start singing, ... |
Robby: |
Ah
really (laughs)? How did she get that? |
Rainer: |
I don't
know. Probably some bootleg stuff. A good title
for that would be "The Making Of People Are
Strange", you know, it looked like the
complete thing, with all takes. |
Robby: |
Really?
Well, I remember that. Where did she get hold of
that? |
Rainer: |
I don't
know. But it looked funny! |
Robby: |
Where
were we standing? On a fountain or something? |
Rainer: |
Yeah,
on a fountain. |
Robby: |
(laughs)
Well, I don't really remember. |
Rainer: |
Where
was that filmed? |
Robby: |
In New
York down by the bowery. |
Rainer: |
Do you
like the video Ray filmed for the song "L.A.
Woman" on the "Dance On Fire"
video? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
it's not bad! |
Rainer: |
The
songline "Mr Mojo Risin'" - did Jim get
that from the song "I got my Mojo
workin'"? |
Robby: |
I'm
sure that had something to do with it, yeah, we
used to do that song sometimes, but you know
that's the anagram of his name. Yeah, I think he
got it more from the "Mojo"-song, and
he figured out later that it was an anagram of
his name. |
Rainer: |
Remember
the Super-8 film of the New Haven-bust featured
in your "Roadhouse Blues" video ...
where did you get that from? |
Robby: |
I
forget who came up with that one. Somebody that
was there. |
Linda: |
You
guys bought it from the guy who was there in the
audience. |
Robby: |
And you
know there were "Life Magazine"
reporters and they caught a lot of it. |
Rainer: |
The
"Unknown Soldier" promotion-film .. .
who's concept was that? And who did the
camera-work? |
Robby: |
Jim
figured that one out. Peter Abrahamson, the guy
who did the first "Break On Through"
one, you know, the first Doors-promotion-film,
well, the same guy did that. Oh, Mark Abrahamson,
that's him. |
Rainer: |
What
about the Jubilee-scenes celebrating the end of
World War II and the Vietnam-clips? |
Robby: |
Who's
idea was that? Oh, I forgot. |
Rainer: |
Did The
Doors plan to record the Hollywood Bowl concert
for a later release on film or for a live-album? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
we did. You know we had that shoot, that
three-camera shoot plus 8-track sound, yeah, we
did intend to do that. We didn't know exactly
what to do with it for the future. You know we
were making a movie at that time called
"Feast Of Friends", so I think we
wanted to use it in that. We finally added
"The End" to the movie, but then we
later forgot about the films. |
Rainer: |
Do you
remember where "Crystal Ship" was
filmed for "American Bandstand"? It
looks like a very early clip. |
Robby: |
Yeah,
early 67, I remember. We were meeting Dick Clark.
It's funny cos Dick Clark was .. , ah, you know
he had that "goody-two-shoes"-image.
(laughs) and in order to get over that image he
came to our dressing-room and he started talking
like "Hey guys, let's fuck some chicks"
(laughs) , trying to be a real tough guy, you
know "How's fucking junks" (laughs).
Hey, let's get this dog out! (Robby jumps up and
tries to decoy his dog Teddy out of the room)
Teddy, come on! |
Rainer: |
(after
a little break) Do you know that I found for The
Doors the lost "Hello I Love You" video
from Frankfurt, West Germany? |
Robby: |
Oh
yeah, you did? From the show in Frankfurt? That's
great! Oh yes, we'll have a screening of that in
a few days to see if we can use it. |
Rainer: |
And now
I'm on the track of two indoor-concerts that were
shot in the hall. |
Robby: |
Were
those from ... ah... Amsterdam? |
Rainer: |
No,
Frankfurt as well. |
Robby: |
The
indoor shot was the "Soldier"-show? |
Rainer: |
Yeah.
You did that song there, too. |
Robby: |
It was
pretty dark in there. |
Rainer: |
Well, I
hope you can use it. But back to "Dance On
Fire": The "Adagio" - when was
that recorded? And did you actually use a string
quartet during the recording? |
Robby: |
Well,
not a quartet, but a whole string section, about
20 guys I think, and that was at the same time as
the "Soft Parade", when we had all
these strings and horns and stuff, so we recorded
this one as well with them. I forgot whose idea
it was, We all liked that song for a long time,
you know. I like this piece of music, too, you
know. Especially Jim liked this "European
schmalz", as he used to talk about this kind
of music. |
Rainer: |
You
used it in "Feast Of Friends" as
well... |
Robby: |
Yeah.
It's a good song. It's pretty popular in Europe,
isn't it? |
Rainer: |
Yes,
sure. And it became one of the rare Doors'
instrumentals, and it's also on one of the
bootlegs, "Rock Is Dead". I remember
another instrumental you did at the Matrix,
Gershwin's "Summertime". |
Robby: |
Yeah,
that's right. |
Rainer: |
By the
way - what do you think about bootlegs, I mailed
you a few, I think, with rare Matrix' songs. |
Robby: |
Yeah,
hmmm... |
Rainer: |
Do you
remember those concerts? |
Robby: |
Oh
yeah, I remember the Matrix. |
Rainer: |
Just
one guy sitting there clapping... |
Robby: |
(laughs)
I think that was a soundcheck, because the place
was packed when we played there, so it couldn't
have been one play, one guy clapping, it must
have been a soundcheck. |
Rainer: |
"Rock
Is Dead" - do you like this one? |
Robby: |
(laughs)
No, I never liked that one, that was pretty much
out of nowhere, you know I mean we were just
kinda drunken, you know just fishing around for
something, I wish it wouldn't have come out on a
bootleg, even. |
Rainer: |
I heard
the tape was stolen from Rothchild... |
Robby: |
Yeah,
that's the story. It disappeared from his desk. |
Rainer: |
When
was the recording -- was it after or before the
Miami trial? |
Robby: |
That
must ... ah ...before. |
Rainer: |
Before?
That's kinda interesting. |
Robby: |
Why?
Why do you ask? |
Rainer: |
Well,
before ... the lyrics sound like a comment on the
Miami trial. |
Robby: |
Hmm,
well, could have been.. . well, let's see: That
was during the "Soft Parade" also, as I
remember, or it could have been "Morrison
Hotel", gee, Miami was. . . was
"Morrison Hotel" after Miami? I forgot. |
Rainer: |
Yeah,
it was. |
Robby: |
Okay,
then it might have been after Miami. |
Rainer: |
Would
you like to do the soundtrack for the forthcoming
Doors' movie? |
Robby: |
Sure!
Well... |
Rainer: |
Ray is
talking about the Doors' movie for years... |
Robby: |
(laughs)
Yeah, I know. It might happen now. They have to
come up with some money pretty soon to keep the
whole thing going, you know. The people who have
the rights, Bill Graham and this other guy, you
know, they were supposed to get a writer who's
gonna write the script and all that. So far we
had about three scripts and they had been
terrible (laughs), so I'm afraid that'd never
happen, you know. But you never know. I have seen
the fourth script, and I think this could be a
good movie. |
Rainer: |
Dave
Brock of"Wild Child" could be a good
actor for Jim's part, I think. |
Robby: |
Yeah,
he could be great, he would be very good ... |
Rainer: |
...for
the "early" Morrison... |
Robby: |
Yeah!
(laughs) There are plenty of guys around who
could play the "later" Morrison
(laughs)... |
Rainer: |
Let's
go back to the early days... your first band was
called "The Psychedelic Rangers". What
was this band all about? |
Robby: |
(laughs)
Just some friends of mine. |
Rainer: |
Any
recordings left? |
Robby: |
No, I'm
afraid not. Actually John was in that band, too.
Our one and only demo was called
"Paranoia". (sings)
"Paranoo-i-a". Was kinda like
"Love", like the old "Love"
days, kinda like "Hey Joe" chords.
That's good, actually. We had this great
piano-player, a friend of mine named Grant
Johnson, who lives up north now, and he could
play jazz at that age, you know, and me and John
and this other guitarplayer, a friend of mine
named David Wolfe, who was my guitar teacher, he
still lives in Los Angeles and plays jazz in a
band named "Citizen", we did a
movie-soundtrack, ah - I forgot the name of it
unfortunately, for the Psychedelic Rangers. But,
you know, David and I, we both copied a terrible
Flamenco record called "Dos Flamencos",
it had these two guys playing flamenco together,
and he taught me how to play the guitar. We were
locked into a room at our school for three hours
a day, in order to practice our guitars, you
know. That's why I always had my guitar with me.
I also started to read a Mickey Baker book, but
did not even finish the second page. When I saw a
terrific Chuck Berry concert at the Santa Monica
Civic Auditorium, I turned into Rock'n'Roll and
bought my first electric guitar, a Gibson SG, the
one that got stolen. Before I just played
acoustic guitars, and I had a holder for my harp.
Before The Doors I used to play at coffee-houses
and I played Bob Dylan-songs. I also played with
a strange band called "The Back Bay
Chamberpot Terriers". When I got interested
in Indian Sitar music I met John Densmore in a
Maharishi Meditation seminar, who was already
playing with The Doors at that time. A few weeks
later he came over to my house with Jim Morrison
and we played and sang for a couple of hours.
That was the kick for me. They needed a guitar
player and they asked me to join them. I was a
bit skeptic at the beginning but after a few
sessions and gigs I knew The Doors would make it. |
Rainer: |
Did you
ever play with "Rick and the Ravens"? |
Robby: |
No, I
never did. I sat in sometimes. John played with
them. |
Rainer: |
The
first demo record of The Doors ... you didn't
play on this, right? |
Robby: |
No, I
didn't. I didn't play on the first Doors demo. I
wasn't in the group then. |
Rainer: |
Which
songs were the first ones that you recorded for
the first Doors album? |
Robby: |
Aehm,
for the first Doors LP? Well, the first song we
ever recorded was "Indian Summer". |
Rainer: |
Surprise,
surprise! "Indian Summer"? |
Robby: |
Yeah.
"Indian Summer" was the song that came
out on the fifth album "Morrison
Hotel". But that was actually the first song
we ever recorded. |
Rainer: |
You
used the same recording for "Morrison
Hotel"? I always wondered why this song
sounded so different from the other material on
"Morrison Hotel". |
Robby: |
Yes,
it's the same one. You know, we pepped it up a
little bit. And then the second thing we did was
"Moonlight Drive". You know, not the
version you hear on the "Strange Days"
album. But in fact it got lost, stupidly, that
was a good version which I wish we could put out,
but somebody lost it! |
Rainer: |
"Light
My Fire" was your song ... |
Robby: |
Yeah! |
Rainer: |
... but
I also read that Jim helped you with some lyrics. |
Robby: |
Right. |
Rainer: |
Which
ones? |
Robby: |
(smiles)
The one about the "funeral pyre".
(laughs) |
Rainer: |
Oh,
that one,.. |
Robby: |
Yeah,
that verse is Jim's. |
Rainer: |
But it
is definitely your song? |
Robby: |
That's
right. |
Rainer: |
Which
other songs did you write for the album? The
credits always say "The Doors". |
Robby: |
The
songs for the first album were written by all
four of us. Ray wrote the introduction to
"Light My Fire", but the lyrics for
most songs were Jim's. The music was developed by
all of us. For the lyrics Jim was a phenomena. He
came to our sessions with a piece of paper he had
scribbled some lyrics on. He was humming the
music to it, and we all started work on the
melodies. Especially the rhythm and the solo
parts. |
Rainer: |
I
remember an early version of "Light My
Fire" from the Matrix. Ray did not play the
intro which was recorded on record before ... |
Robby: |
We play
a lot of gigs at that time and we had to
improvise a lot. I mean, many songs developed on
stage or we worked them out during our concerts. |
Rainer: |
What's
the Blue Bus in "The End"? Could it
simply be the real busline from Santa Monica to
the UCLA as written in one of the Quarterlies? |
Robby: |
Possible.
I have read the article in the Quarterly, too.
Yes, there is a blue bus there -- oh, one funny
thing : my wife Lynn was hanging out with Jim and
some other people, and they were just
hitch-hiking somewhere, and all of the sudden
this big blue bus comes up and picks them up, and
this weird hippie was driving it with a weird
dog, and he drove them all over town, everywhere
they wanted to go, never said a word, and then
they got off and never saw him again. And they
were freaking out, cos Jim had written about the
Blue Bus earlier. |
Rainer: |
You
started using synthesizers on the second LP,
changing the sound of Jim's voice. Did you also
change the sound of your guitar with a
synthesizer? |
Robby: |
No, not
really. Not the guitar. At the time all they had
was the Moog, you know, and they could use it on
the keyboards and on voices and acoustic guitars
... |
Rainer: |
Do you
remember which instrument Ray Manzarek plays on
"Love Me Two Times"? Was it a
harpsichord? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
it was a real harpsichord. |
Rainer: |
And
"Unhappy Girl" had a backwards piano... |
Robby: |
Yeah,
it was actually organ and piano played backwards. |
Rainer: |
There's
this line in "I Can't See Your Face In My
Mind" from "Strange Days" saying -
"carnival dogs consume the line" -
what's the meaning of this? |
Robby: |
Maybe
you could say the line being the linearity of the
world, you know, with the image of the dogs it
means, you know, everything is not as we see it. |
Rainer: |
Do you
remember the recording of "When The Music's
Over"? |
Robby: |
Sure! |
Rainer: |
Someone
said it was recorded like first the music and
then Jim's voice. Is that true? It sounds so
perfect... |
Robby: |
(laughs)
Yeah, I know. When we used to do it, we knew sort
of what he was gonna sing, so: Let's kinda do it
that way. The day it was supposed to be recorded
he was on an acid trip somewhere and he never
showed up to the studio. So we recorded the music
before, and when he finally came we needed only
one vocal recording, then it was perfect. |
Rainer: |
By the
way - is there any Doors song on record you don't
like? |
Robby: |
A Doors
song I don't like? Aehm, I think "My Wild
Love" is one of my least favorites. |
Rainer: |
A weird
song. It's an unusual Doors song, without any
instruments. |
Robby: |
Yeah,
yeah (mumbles). |
Rainer: |
How did
you guys record that? |
Robby: |
We sort
of needed an extra song or something (laughs)...
And everybody who happened to be in the studio
joined in. We were looking through Jim's poetry
books and, you know, here's one, let's make a
song out of it. Jim was humming the melody like a
simple children's song, and we all just followed
him. |
Rainer: |
There's
a little interesting thing I noticed listening to
your records. On the live recordings you always
played your solo in A minor or B minor. But the
studio version is half a tone lower. |
Robby: |
Which
song? |
Rainer: |
"Light
My Fire". |
Robby: |
On
"Light My Fire" it's half a tone lower? |
Rainer: |
Yes it
is! |
Robby: |
That's
hard! Maybe... hmmm... |
Rainer: |
Well,
the first LP version is half a tone lower, same
as the live versions, but on the 7" version
it's A minor as well. |
Robby: |
Wait.
On the original LP it is in A flat or something? |
Rainer: |
Yeah. |
Robby: |
It's
weird. We must ... ah... I think they slowed it
down. I always thought it sounded pretty slow
(laughs). Impossible! Are you sure about that? |
Rainer: |
Yeah
(laughs). |
Robby: |
That's
weird. I have to check that out (laughs). |
Rainer: |
Why
didn't you use the studio version of "The
Celebration Of The Lizard"? Is it so
different from the "Absolutely
Live"-version. |
Robby: |
Aehm,
so, it's not that much different, but ... |
Rainer: |
In
"No One Here Gets Out Alive" I read it
was 25 minutes long ... |
Robby: |
Well,
parts of it were used, yeah, but parts of the
live version were improvised, you know, so it's
not the same. |
Rainer: |
I hope
it will be published some day. |
Robby: |
I
really don't remember why we didn't use it, you
know, I guess we used the good part of it, you
know, the other parts we thought were not good. |
Rainer: |
Is the
original tape is still in your archives? |
Robby: |
I
really don't know. I haven't checked on that. |
Rainer: |
Is
"Not To Touch The Earth" from the
"Waiting For The Sun" album an outtake
from the studio version or was it an extra
recording? |
Robby: |
Well,
that was recorded separately. But it was meant to
go in there. But it was recorded in one piece. |
Rainer: |
"Wintertime
Love", "Spanish Caravan" and
"Yes, The River Knows" were written by
you? |
Robby: |
Yeah. |
Rainer: |
One of
my favorite Doors songs is "Yes, The River
Knows", such a moody song. |
Robby: |
Yeah,
thanks! |
Rainer: |
Where
did you get the inspiration from? |
Robby: |
Aah...
at that time I was ... oh, it was one of the
first songs I've ever written. I was trying to
keep my ... you know ... I was trying to learn
from Jim, you know, keeping the subjects on a
broadening scale; so "Light My Fire":
Fire, air, earth and water; so water: "Yes,
The River Knows". |
Rainer: |
The
sessions for "Waiting For The Sun" took
very long for the album, but when was the song
with the same name recorded? |
Robby: |
Oh,
that was recorded earlier - or later? Either
later or earlier. That came out on "Morrison
Hotel", actually. Of course it was planned
to be on the third album, but I don't know why we
didn't put it on. |
Rainer: |
It is
always surprising for Doors fans that you guys
used to play without a real bass guitarist at
concerts. |
Rainer: |
We got
along pretty well without a bass guitarist on
stage, that's all. This was Ray's business, he
liked to have control about everything. For our
recording sessions we always used real bass
guitars, but it was Ray who told the guys what
they had to play. |
Rainer: |
Who's
idea was it to use strings and horns and stuff
like that for "The Soft Parade"? |
Robby: |
Rothchild.
For that album he was a kinda George Martin for
us. (laughs) It was kinda stupid I thought, cos
The Beatles did it, and we had to do it, too.
This album was our "Sergeant Pepper",
but it was silly, because The Beatles had done it
much better. |
Rainer: |
Have
you ever met The Beatles? |
Robby: |
No,
just George. |
Rainer: |
I read
in a book that Jim Morrison was in the studio
with them when they recorded the "White
Album", and he sang with them on
"Happiness Is A Warm Gun". |
Robby: |
Hmm,
that's possible, but... ah, he met some of them
in London I know, when I wasn't around or
something. But I only met George. |
Rainer: |
It's
you who sings the chorus on "Running
Blue". Does the beginning of the song come
from a Leadbelly song named "Poor
Howard"? |
Robby: |
That's
right, Oh, you know, Jim made that part up, so I
can't take credit for that. But Leadbelly didn't
write that either, that's a traditional thing, an
old cowboy refrain or an old slaves' song. You
know, "My Wild Love" is the same thing,
you know (sings the first line of the song), it's
one of those old chain gang songs... |
Rainer: |
How was
it working with Paul Rothchild in the studio? |
Robby: |
He
worked a lot on our songs, especially on
"Soft Parade" and "Strange
Days". He was the one who developed The
Doors' sound. Most other songs we recorded the
way we used to play them live. Some time ago we
listened to the master tapes of "The Soft
Parade" and I wish we'd put out the album
again without all the horns and strings and
stuff. That would be an easy thing to do. |
Rainer: |
At the
end of "Touch Me" you hear the sentence
"Stronger than dirt". Was this from the
Ajax ad? |
Robby: |
(laughs)
Yeah! I don't know who's idea was that but there
was the chorus (sings) "da da da dap",
and somebody said Hey, that sounds like Ajax',
and we started saying that, you know. |
Rainer: |
Why
wasn't "Who Scared You" on the
"Soft Parade" album? |
Robby: |
I think
Rothchild didn't like it. |
Rainer: |
Is It
true that Jim didn't want to record "Tell
All The People"? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
he was afraid of a political classification. |
Rainer: |
He
didn't want people to follow him? |
Robby: |
No,
it's just the fact that he thought it was kinda
political, and if he'd sang it people would think
he wrote it. I don't know. |
Rainer: |
And why
did you write those lines? |
Robby: |
Actually
that song was of a - remember the frame
"follow me down" - that was from a
Leadbelly song called "Fanton Street
Blues", so that was more a blues idea than
political. |
Rainer: |
Leadbelly
was one of your favorites, right? |
Robby: |
Yes,
like Robert Johnson. |
Rainer: |
Do you
remember the studio where "Morrison
Hotel" was recorded? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
it was in the Elektra studio, not in Sunset,
which was for the first and second album, and the
fourth and fifth at Elektra. The facilities at
Elektra were much better. The echo chamber at
Sunset was pretty good, but not the latest thing.
Paul wanted to create all effects electronically. |
Rainer: |
Can you
tell me who's the "Ashen Lady" in
"Roadhouse Blues"? |
Robby: |
Who's
the "Ashen Lady"? Well, I don't know
who he meant by that. Probably not a real person. |
Rainer: |
What is
a "Peace Frog"? |
Robby: |
Well,
what's a "Peace Frog" ...? |
Rainer: |
Was it
a military button or something? |
Robby: |
Well,
that's possible. I never really asked Jim about
it. I think it was because of the guitar sound
(sings) de-de-dep ..., which sounded like a
croaking frog's "quak-quak". I never
asked Jim about his meanings or his stuff, you
know, because he never answered, you know. |
Rainer: |
I
always thought you and Jim were closest friends,
right? |
Robby: |
I think
so, yeah. We wrote a lot of stuff when he stayed
at my house, you know, together. He was not that
crazy one when I first met him, you know, but the
first time we played together he seemed a little
out there, you know, cos after the session I
remember he and this other guy got into this big
fight, you know, over nothing! I think it was
about a drug deal actually (laughs), a drug deal
gone sour (laughs). |
Rainer: |
Did you
take any care of the production of the
"Absolutely Live" album? It was cut
together from so many bits and pieces of songs
and concerts. |
Robby: |
Yeah,
we all sat there for weeks and weeks and we
listened to every little thing, so: this verse
from this concert, this version of ... Rothchild
is famous for that, you know (laughs). Like the
Paul Butterfield album, the first one. It sounds
like it's a live album, but the whole studio was
filled with pieces of tapes hanging up on hooks
(laughs), one piece after another. |
Rainer: |
Are
there many live recordings left you could use? |
Robby: |
Not
many, not much! |
Rainer: |
Did you
always play your Gibson SG in concerts? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
the red one. The black one was for slide, and it
was a Les Paul. |
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Rainer in front of
Robby's homestudio holding Robby's famous
black Les Paul guitar. Watch the video
"The Soft Parade" to see the
guitar in action.
Photo © Linda Kyriazi. |
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Rainer: |
Are
those the same guitars you used in the studio? |
Robby: |
Ah,
yes. |
Rainer: |
What
kind of strings did you use? |
Robby: |
In
those days I used "Super Slinkies", 9
to 36, and then I moved to 10's. But in The Doors
I always used the 9's, the lighter ones, cos I
never used a pick in those days. |
Rainer: |
You are
designing your own Gibson guitar right now? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
they're making a Gibson now, it's a sort of an
SG-shape, but it's got a sunburst finish, you
know, nice wood, a nice piece of wood, now they
don't use good wood anymore, but for this they're
using a good one. And it's got a very special
neck, they'll have a graphite neck, cos the SG's
neck was too humbling, you know, cos there's this
long neck just stuck on, it wasn't very strong,
so they have this graphite neck and, well, you
know, I've been waiting for this for two years to
be finished, it should be this year. |
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Robby with his Gibson
guitar.
Photo © Linda Kyriazi. |
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Rainer: |
Did
they ask you to do a thing like this or did you
offer your help? |
Robby: |
Well,
they have a new guy called Bob Gibson, the
president, and he was a Doors fan, comes from
Harvard and I forgot who called who, but I've
always used Gibson anyway, so... |
Rainer: |
Yeah,
I've seen a few Gibsons up there in your studio.
I come to the "L.A. Woman" album. It
was a kind of live-thing in the studio. Were all
the songs recorded live? |
Robby: |
"L.A.
Woman"? Most of them were, uh, Jim did a few
overdubs but we wanted to get a live feeling.
Above all the album was not produced by Paul
Rothchild anymore, and we felt free to do what we
liked. We did it in our rehearsal room. Did you
ever go there? |
Rainer: |
Sure,
it's just opposite the Alta Cienega Motel. |
Robby: |
Right!
(laughter) |
Rainer: |
The
place changed a lot... |
Robby: |
I
haven't seen it for a long time. I wonder what
they did. |
Rainer: |
It's
painted gray and it is an Anti-Aids-center right
now. |
Robby: |
You got
inside? |
Rainer: |
No. It
was closed. Back to "L.A. Woman". On
"Cars Hiss By My Window" there's Jim
imitating a guitar. Wasn't there any guitar
around? |
Robby: |
(laughs)
No, a harp, a harmonica sound, that was what he
was doing. He couldn't really play a harp very
good. Some people think it's a real harp. |
Rainer: |
On some
bootleg material Jim plays a horrible harp! |
Robby: |
Don't
say that when Jim is around (laughs). |
Rainer: |
What
can you tell me about those mysterious lines in
"Hyacinth House"? You know, "... I
see the bathroom is clear, I think that
somebody's near ...", like that. |
Robby: |
The
"Hyacinth House" was my house. We were
writing some songs, and I had hyacinths in the
backyard. So it wasn't the Hyatt Hotel, as some
people might think, which we used to call the
"Riot Hotel". But you know in the same
song there are the lines about the bathroom, see,
we were just sitting and writing that song and
Jim had to go to the bathroom (laughs), he was
waiting for somebody to get out of the bathroom.
So it has got no deep meaning. Remember the
"lions" in that song? They were my cats
among the hyacinths, and in fact I had a lion, a
bobcat, a big cat, you know, which was in the
backyard when we were writing that song. |
Rainer: |
Let's
switch over to the "Other Voices"
album. I always thought it was a very good album,
but it didn't sound like the Doors anymore,
especially the music, and you and Ray decided to
sing ... |
Robby: |
(laughs)
I never considered myself a singer, but Jim
wasn't there, so... |
Rainer: |
Ray was
mocking about you as being "Golden Throat
Krieger" on your '72 tour. He always made
this joke when he announced "The
Mosquito" about your highschool Spanish. |
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Robby live!
Photo © Linda Kyriazi. |
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Robby: |
I know,
it was his standard intro for "The
Mosquito". |
Rainer: |
Did you
write that song? |
Robby: |
Yeah, I
got the idea from a Mexican band doing
traditional songs, and I wrote an equivalent. |
Rainer: |
Someone
said that it was a traditional song... |
Robby: |
Yeah,
pretty much. Do you know that this one was one of
our biggest songs aside from the stuff with Jim? |
Rainer: |
Many
people covered it ... |
Robby: |
Yeah, a
lot. I also heard a German version of it, pretty
weird. |
Rainer: |
It was
a guy named Gary Wynn who sang a German version.
On "Ships With Sails", a song that John
wrote, Ray Neopolitan played bass; was this one
of the songs that you planned for Jim to do the
vocals for after his return from Paris or was
this a left-over from "Morrison Hotel",
cos Ray also played bass on this album? |
Robby: |
No, no,
we wrote that song after Jim had died.
"Tightrope Ride" is one of them that
was done for Jim, you know, Jim was in Paris a
long time before he died, and we had worked out a
lot of stuff that we planned to do with Jim as a
six-piece band for the road, and he never came
back. In fact Jim had never quit The Doors, what
else could he do, he would have been dead-bored
after a couple of months. I think he always would
have come back to the group. |
Rainer: |
Was
"Other Voices" successful in the
States? Did you get a golden record for it? |
Robby: |
I don't
remember. I don't think so, it just sold a
quarter of a million or so. How was it doing in
Europe? Did it better there? |
Rainer: |
Yeah,
it is still in print ... The bass guitarists who
played with you I like this instrument because I
play bass myself. Were they always told how to
play the basslines or were they allowed to put
their own ideas into a song? |
Robby: |
Usually
they had to play pretty much of what Ray played
on the piano bass (sings the bass from
"Light My Fire"), like the instance in
"Light My Fire" there is a bass on
there but it was overdubbed later, just the same
thing that Ray did. |
Rainer: |
It
wasn't the keyboard bass on that song? A real
bass-player? |
Robby: |
Yes, it
was a real bass. A Fender bass. And some of the
songs Doug Lubahn would come up with something of
his own, for instance in the song "Waiting
For The Sun" he came up with some stuff, and
on "Love Me Two Times" I told him how
to play that. |
Rainer: |
Do you
play the harmonica on "Down On The
Farm"? |
Robby: |
Yeah, I
did (laughs). |
Rainer: |
There's
this nice song you played with Jim at a Norman
Mailer-benefit called "Far Arden Blues"
or something - was this the only song you played
there or did you do more stuff? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
there was some other stuff, but it was kinda
pretty ragged, you know. |
Rainer: |
What's
"Far Arden" in your opinion? People say
Jim means the Garden Of Eden with it... |
Robby: |
"Far
Arden" is a place in England called Arden,
which was mentioned by English poets. |
Rainer: |
I love
the guitar on that track but unfortunately it was
overdubbed with a poem. Wish I could hear that
without the poem. |
Robby: |
(laughs) |
Rainer: |
When
did you start recording "Full Circle"?
After the 1972 tour? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
that's right. |
Rainer: |
Were
you aware that this would be the last Doors
album? |
Robby: |
No,
that's funny, we just called it like that. When
went to Europe to try to get a singer - so we
were still playing as The Doors after "Full
Circle". |
Rainer: |
You
were auditioning a few singers, I think: Jess
Roden, Howard Werth - who else? Iggy Pop? |
Robby: |
No, we
actually never did... |
Rainer: |
He
always was interested, is that true? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
but we never got together enough for some reason.
We actually never rehearsed with Howard Werth
actually, just talked to him one day. Oh, here
comes my son Waylon. You know he's named after a
German wine, Whelener Sonnenberg, it's a Mosel
wine, and it's one of the best from the Saar
river, I guess, a real sweet wine. I used to be
really into German wine. |
Rainer: |
Jim had
the same taste, I think. I read he ordered 100
bottles of German wine named Goldener Oktober. |
Robby: |
That's
funny, I didn't know that. |
Rainer: |
"The
Peking King And The New York Queen" was one
of Ray's songs, I guess. There's this East/West
dialogue in it. The West part is Ray, who's doing
the East part? You? |
Robby: |
I think
Ray did both. |
Rainer: |
John
told me yesterday that a "Verdilac" was
a vampire. Do you agree? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
you didn't know that? I guess it's an Austrian
expression for vampire, from an old movie. |
Rainer: |
About
the "An American Prayer" album - wasn't
it a kind of weird job to do the album with the
voice of Jim from a tape? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
but it was fun, too. And it was hard. We had to
use sentences and words, cut them here and there,
but it was worth doing that. |
Rainer: |
Do you
only play guitar on this album, I mean just
guitar? |
Robby: |
No, I
also played some other instruments, but most of
it was guitar. |
Rainer: |
Who did
the "Gloria" chorus on "Alive She
Cried"? |
Robby: |
Oh, we
all did. |
Rainer: |
But it
was overdubbed later I bet. |
Robby: |
Yeah,
but don't tell... |
Rainer: |
Well,
it's one secret everybody knows. |
Robby: |
Shock!
Shock! |
Rainer: |
Was
"Gloria" on "Alive She Cried"
the complete take? |
Robby: |
No, it
wasn't. The uncut take is more dirty, definitely,
and it's much longer. Somebody still has the
original, it might come out one day. |
Rainer: |
The
guitar was kinda sterile - was it also
overdubbed? |
Robby: |
No, it
wasn't overdubbed. That's why it sounds sterile!
(laughs) No, the reason for that was - it was a
soundcheck, and there was no audience there, so
maybe I wasn't really into that. |
Rainer: |
Was it
a soundcheck for the recording of
"Absolutely Live"? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
well, for the Aquarius concerts, which was a lot
of"Absolutely Live". |
Rainer: |
You
overdubbed "Texas Radio And The Big
Beat" as well, but it is without dubs on
"Dance On Fire" and it's still
gorgeous. |
Robby: |
Yeah,
yeah, well, I did the overdubs. But you're right:
It was good without dubs. |
Rainer: |
Danish
TV had the complete show on recently. I love the
song without the overdubs on "Alive She
Cried". Do you remember the recording of
"Little Red Rooster" with John
Sebastian on harp? |
Robby: |
That
was from a show in Detroit, I believe, and he
played on a couple of things. |
Rainer: |
Why
wasn't there any live recording of the Doors
after Jim's death, of The Butts Band or
something? |
Robby: |
Oh, you
know, we did a live recording with the Butts Band
in Boston, but I don't know whatever happened
with it. |
Rainer: |
Who's
idea was the Butts Band? |
Robby: |
Well,
you know, we were in England looking for a singer
for The Doors and John and I decided, well, what
are we gonna do? Let's just stay there and see
what we can get going, so we got this group
together with Jess Roden, Phil Chen and Roy
Davies and we called it The Butts Band, it was
Jess Roden's name for the group he had before,
which was also called the Butts Band, and we
liked It. It was a good band. |
Rainer: |
Yeah,
definitely. You also played with Blue Öyster
Cult live.. |
Robby: |
"Roadhouse
Blues", yeah. It was out there at the
Country Club in the valley. They called me up one
day and said that they're gonna be playing, if I
could come down. I played on a lot on their stuff
and the producers sometimes used it, sometimes
they didn't. Sometimes they couldn't use it
because of some legal thing or something, played
some real good stuff on their new album in fact,
the album they just released but recorded years
ago. Yeah, I did a lot of guitar, and people
thought it must have been a real Öyster guy who
plays the guitar. |
Rainer: |
I
always wondered why there's this nice little song
"Treetrunk" not on the "Full
Circle" album. |
Robby: |
Well, I
think it sounded too commercial for the album.
Somebody else should sing it, you know, but
that's funny that you remember that one! |
Rainer: |
John is
thinking about The Doors doing the soundtrack for
the Morrison movie. . . |
Robby: |
Yeah,
we'll probably do that. I mean, who else could do
that? |
Rainer: |
But you
are not gonna act in the movie? |
Robby: |
Oh no,
I don't think so. |
Rainer: |
Are
there any unpublished Doors songs? |
Robby: |
Unpublished
Doors songs? Not many good ones. There's a
version of "Whiskey, Mystics And Men"
that is pretty good. They swept the bottom of the
files anything of use would be used. |
Rainer: |
Ray
once talked about a song called "Happy For A
Night And A Day"... |
Robby: |
Did he?
Well, I don't remember that. |
Rainer: |
Why
didn't you take care of how they reproduced the
lyrics in all official songbooks? For example in
"Unknown Soldier" the songbooks say
"... practice where the news is read
..." instead of the correct
"breakfast". |
Robby: |
I think
we were just too lazy to read those (laughs).
It's funny: Practice! |
Rainer: |
Do you
remember July 3, 1981 , when Père Lachaise was
packed with fans? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
that was good, I thought, you know, amazing how
many people were there, but I thought it was bad
painting all the other monuments and stuff. We
arranged the bust over there, well, but before
that bust was there we gave Pamela the duty of
doing that, gave her a lot of money, but she
never did anything. Her parents were going to put
her in the same grave, I don't know if they
actually did that. Her parents were really
committed to Jim, you know. Businesswise there's
still contact. They're very unreasonable. The
poetry should be published, and they don't do it,
and the movie, you know, a sort of legal mess.
Sue us, sue this, sue that. It's so stupid, you
know, because Jim would never have wanted his
estate to go to those people. |
Rainer: |
I was
always wondering what he would say it he knew
that some other people than Pamela have control
over his poetry and other stuff. Did you ever
read Jim's unpublished poetry from his "127
Fascination Box"? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
some of it. It wasn't that good. You know it was
Jim's stuff that he didn't want to put out. Most
of it was written before he went to Paris. There
is some stuff that he wrote there, and that's
pretty good. They should put that out. There is
some more stuff that's pretty good, but in Jim's
mind he didn't think it was good enough to use.
That's why we never used it. So I don't think
it'll be right to use it right now, you know.
Anyway, that's a big legal mess, too. The lawyers
that have possession of it think it's theirs,
Corky thinks it's his, and blah, blah, blah! |
Rainer: |
Do you
guys ever think about releasing "HWY"? |
Robby: |
Yeah,
we'd like to. Well, it's not really a movie, but
much of shots, and it's unfinished, you know. The
estate owns it, and they haven't done anything
with it. I wish they would do something with it,
cos it's interesting stuff. I wish they'd put it
together with "Feast Of Friends" maybe,
and some other things. It would make a good
video. |
Rainer: |
What
are your plans for the future? |
Robby: |
Music,
what else? |
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Robby showing one of his
platinum awards.
Photo © Rainer
Moddemann. |
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During the last part
of the interview Robby acted slightly fidgety,
because during our interview he had received a
telephone call, and he still wanted to go to the
studio to supervise the mixing of a new song. At
the end he gave me one of his platinum records as
a thank you for small favors I had done him over
the past years. As happy as a king about this
present, Linda and I drove off. Following this
interview I did not only meet Robby on his
European tour and did the press for him, but also
visited him again at his house in Los Angeles a
few more times. Parts of the conversations that
we had during these meetings have been woven into
the above interview. Some things we talked about
have - of course - come true, others not, but I
wanted you to read this interview as it happened. |